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  1. s

    I’m glad you brought up the general discourse around the incredulity fans tend to express when it comes to beautiful women being attracted to nice, but insecure men. In Tsubasa’s case, it seems as if some audience members find it inexplicable that Minami would even be attracted to Tsubasa, let alone look his way, when all the justification you need to understand how the attraction dynamic started is in episode 1. As you keenly pointed out, Minami’s interest in Tsubasa simply started as a country girl who found the new city boy a novel point of intrigue. During their conversation in ep 1, Minami expects Tsubasa to be stuck-up, or at the very least, to think he was above being in a “backwater place like Kitami;” but instead, he surprised her by showing genuine appreciation for the kind of lifestyle Kitami offers and Minami is assured by his earnestness responses (both here and when he openly calls her beautiful)”that he’s a good guy. However, what started off as her having a giddy curiosity about a Tokyo boy she found cute turns into budding affection as a genuine friendship grows between the two of them, all of which is developed organically through thoughtful moments of teenage behavior and wholesome humanity.

    Besides, if people are still saying Tsubasa has no traits that someone would realistically be attracted to after the man just showed off an impressive level of talent on the piano for the simple reason of cheering someone up, then I’m at a lost of words as to how to proceed any further in the conversation

    On a side note, seeing Minami almost instinctively acting chipper upon seeing Rena with Tsubasa without full awareness that she did so defensively just goes to show more and more what you mentioned 2 write-ups back about Minami having gotten so used to playing a role. Even last episode when she sits down with Sayuri during lunch after being miffed that Tsubasa wasn’ studying with them, she gets called out on being slightly annoyed, however her immediate response is somewhere along the lines of: “What are you talking about? I don’t get bothered by stuff like that.” I wouldn’t describe it as her thinking she’s too good to feel negative emotions like that, but moreso that she doesn’t consider that she COULD be feeling a certain way that might be unfavorable.

    Anyway, I felt for Minami a bit this ep: something about her trying her best to see if Tsubasa would be willing to spend time with her but at the same time trying not to be too needy or pry made me empathize with the lull she was feeling throughout the exam week

  2. If you feed people enough dumb, they becomes unreceptive to smart.

  3. A

    Interesting take re people commenting on unrealistic relationships. I get your point re Dosanko Gal wa Namara Menkoi as Tsubasa comes across a likable guy and has some musical talent. In my experience I’ve know many people with similar traits that girls find attractive. This show has surprised by how balanced and true to life the characters are. Rena is a bit OTT – liking a guy for wearing traditional clothes is a bit silly but what do you expect when you watch an anime with a title like this one.

    I don’t think the same applies to BokuYaba though and I would categorise that as a realist take as opposed to a sexist take. All I can do is speak from my own experience as a student and from conversations with friends who work as high school teachers but have never seen or heard of a tall, extremely popular girl (who works as model mind you) dating someone who at the start of the show is portrayed as being poorly adjusted, extremely introverted, physically short for his age and friendless. He certainly has evolved since then but the attraction first became apparent when those characteristics were more prominent.

    That’s not to say the show is bad, it is very good. There are lots of realistic dynamics around the way the relationship progresses but I do have to suspend disbelief that a girl like Yamada would be interested in a guy like Ichikawa based on the relationships I witnessed in high school. But what else would I expect – I am watching a Japanese animation where I the target audience is school aged Japanese boys and it’s much better show than many other romcoms I have seen!

  4. There are any number of grounds on which I disagree with that BokuYaba take, but if nothing else, one obvious point that Norio has made clear is that (apart from height) Ichi reminds Anna very much of her father. And if there’s any trope I’ve seen prove out in RL, it’s that men fall for women who remind them of their mothers and women fall for men who remind them of their fathers.

  5. B

    A couple of notes:

    Rena certainly hasn’t fallen for Tsubasa; she’s too chill for that too happen so quickly. She certainly finds the points of commonality intriguing (beyond the traditionalist stuff, he’s clearly as serious about his studies as she is [even if his results aren’t QUITE as good], he’s not some horny monkey and, indeed, has a chill vibe of his own, plus he’s y’know, right there), and she wants to see if there’s more to him there. Could she fall? Given time and the right circumstances? Could he, given the deep insecurities and self-esteem issues that his time away from Tokyo has only begun to reverse, even process it if she did?

    And speaking of self-esteem issues, it’s clear that Minami has plenty of her own she’s not dealing with. Playing class mood-maker helps her hide (particularly from herself) that she’s a bit empty inside. It’s getting a little better: she’s found two people incapable of putting up fronts that make her feel like it wouldn’t be so bad to be more honest and they’d be a safe audience for her to try, and she finds Tsubasa especially comforting in this sense, but things like romance just aren’t yet in her wheelhouse and that’s fine. Even with this little nagging sense that maybe it’s not as fine as she thinks, she treasures the direction she’s going in right now and isn’t in a hurry to shake things up with these friends.

  6. A

    Not 100% sure what you are disgreeing with regarding my take as I was speaking from my experiences and how that impacts my own suspension of belief but I certainly

    Unless you are disagreeing with my view that their relationship is not the most believable is realist
    rather than sexist take?

    I agree i have seen the parent trope you describe play out, but not to the point where an extremely attractive and popular high school girl wants to date a seemingly unattractive and unpopular guy (and visa versa). Maybe your experiences have been different.

    More commonly I have seen another trope play out particularly in high school where extremely attractive and popular people date other people who have equivalent if not the same desirable characteristics I.e., attractive, humour, high social standing confidence, musical or sporting talent.

    Of course I can only base my opinion in my own experiences and others may have had completely different experiences. Also I am completely unfamiliar with the Japanese high school dynamics which may indeed be very different from where I live.

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